Just thinking.
About an article/series of.
For the summer.
Getting the ball rolling here to see if there's scope.
For moving the goalposts, slightly.
No Beatles; possibly no Stones (since 1980, what have they done?); probably no Bowie (Labyrinth?).
Dylan, sure; Young, ok.
But also: Beck, Albini, Vig, Cobain, Chuck, MCA, Omar and Cedric, Bjork, Buckley, Elliott Smith, 'E', Yoni Wolf, Matt Bayles, Aaron Turner, Guy Chambers, FLEA? Et cetera.
Who has been absolutely influential/brilliant/essential in music since 1980 (the year of my birth)? In your opinion.
I'd go for DEVO
Very much ahead of their time and there hasn't really been anything like them since.
Devo's debut single
1977
First LP - 1978
So, FAIL!
Not really
Dylan and Young released stuff way before 1980 too.
NOW YOU = FAIL
Your reposte lacks logic
No
Read the first post. Besides, Oh No! It's DEVO came out in 1982 (my year of birth) and has no doubt influenced a lot of electro bands.
YOU STILL = FAIL
"Besides"??
If you atteste to your instruction to read the first post, and presumably interpret it differenlty to how I have done, then "besides" is an unnecessary and confusing addition. You should have said, instead of "besides", "Thus, using my interpretation, I can posit"
Ok
let me break it down for you so there is no more confusion.
Nowhere in the original post does it state that the musician/artist has to have not released anything before 1980.
I said DEVO because their 80's stuff could be considered quite influential.
Yes
I see that. Therefore, absolutley no need for "besides".
Thanks
for the grammar lesson.
Grammar???
I gave no grammar lesson, not did I give a vocabulary lesson - it was logic and your lack of it.
That might be the case..
But DEVO count, therefore ME = WIN, YOU = FAIL.
Thanks
YOU ARE BOTH WINNERS
in your own special way.
* wankers
"hasn't really been anything like them since"
so, um, not that influential then?
Not 'Debut' but her debut
was in 1977
Bjork that is
Urm...
Ian Mackaye!?
Dennis Lyxzén/Refused, Thom Yorke/Johnny Greenwood, Hetfield/Ulrich (like it or not)
i don't think refused influence
is as wide reaching or deep enough to make it onto a list of greatest influences since the 1980. They are good but you can't really compare what they did to Radiohead, Metallica or Minor Threat/Fugazi etc
Ian should be on the list for sure.
Bjork debuted in 77'?
I don't even remember seing Sugarcubes till about 87' or 88'.
Sonic Youth
Pixies
How the fuck could u miss these 2 out?
And more recently bands such as The Shins and Modest Mouse seem to be becomming power houses of influence.
I guess Talking Heads as well their most influential sound was the one they picked up in the 80s
definatly Sonic Youth and Pixies
third
sy and pixies
Me fourth
x
Sonic Youth
deffo, stylistic influence massive (even Neutral Milk Hotel!! they Also would be on the list actually/...), and they also are
responsible for the signings of boredoms, nirvana and Dino Jr...... cool.
Prince
Patton
+1
for Patton
Detriot Techno people
you know the peeps...
Juan Atkins
Kevin Saunderson
Richie Hawtin
Etc...
Original House people
Jammie Principle
Marshall Jefferson
Etc...
they have alot to answer for now that dance music is everywhere and influences alot of diffrent stuff to.
There is alot of amazing old electro too
which has pretty much influenced so much music that is around now. They usualy have mad names so I dont know many acctual names of producers. Stuff like Hashim who made the ace Al-Naafiysh in 1983. There is alot of that stuff about.
+1
+ Robert Hood. Minimal Nation moved the goalposts.
yay I was just gona mention Hood
glad there is some love for the techno underground it doesnt get credited enough IMO. It is probibly the most forward thinking music since the 80s and you hear thehniques and sounds eventualy filter into alsorts of music.
I <3 Techno.
Still the most futuristic aesthetic blueprint for any music ever IMHO.
your damn right
Viva La Acid House!
as well.
Beck!?!
Beck is a sponge that sucks up every musical style and, when squeezed, ejaculates them in a mixed-up mess that lacks any creative nuances.
hmm...
'creative nuances'...not sure what exactly you are getting at, but i don't think you're saying he's great...so i reckon you are a bit wrong.
Ian Curtis
and Joy Division....
Joy Division only just lasted till 1980 didnt they
but I would count them in this... nowt to do with me though... Also New Order should probibly have a mentioneven though most their stuff aint my cupa tea.
METALLCA
why?
arguably every metal band since 1983 has been influenced by them, and they created some of the most innovative exciting music the genre has produced.
yip
There's loads!
Aphex Twin
The Cure
Metallica
Pavement
Depeche Mode
Fugazi
My Bloody Valentine
Pixies
to name but a few
Joy Division only just lasted till 1980 didnt they?
True, but their influence since then is so massively unavoidable they'd surely have to figure.
I agree
The answer is
80s:
Stephen Pastel
Marine Girls
Einsturzende Neu Bauten
John Robbie
Muslimgauze
Schoolly D
Half Man Half Biscuit
Wedding Present
Field Mice
Beat Happening
Depeche Mode
Chameleons
Cocteau Twins
Cranes
My Bloody Valentine
Stone Roses
Smiths
Talulah Gosh
(other answers may be available)
School me on Schooly D
I forgot to be influenced by that one (I think).
He's hip-hop
10-4
:>
he is an old school hip hop MC
pretty much rapped over all the ace old tunes like electro stuff and breakbeats mde up of apache and all that.
His debut LP
is mostly sctratching and beats
cool
then maybe its the music he played that is more of an influence maybe? Even though he did re-contextualise (no idea how to spell that) it into some thing new. But then there are alot of ace Hip hop DJs from that time like Afric Bambata, Grand Master Flash and DJ Kool Herc who beat him to it... I think anyway.
What Schooly did was to
compose using just scratching and beats - with raps over the top, rather than straight sampling.
I have been checking out some of his stuff
and it sounds alot like electro records Iv herd with him beat juggling a little and scratching on top plus some rapping. he may well have made up his own beats but alot of the old school hip hop lot just used records of other peoples. I aint an expert though and he is really good.
Slint...
, Godspeed etc
uhm
i know they're good but who have Half Man Half Biscuit influenced? Except maybe I, Ludicrous and Art Brut...they're hardly up there with Aphex Twin are they?
agreed
i'd like to add the associates to this as well
i love muslimgauze
also...
PRINCE!
The Stone Roses and The Smiths were about ten million times
more influential than any of those bands could even wish to be.
Not that that makes them special or anything.
err
hate to be really boring and obvious but... Oasis?
For better or, more probably, for worse.
Mine pick falls in the "etc" category.
I think the internet and it's little bastard son Napster has had the most profound effect on music than any mere musician could have ever had.
I remember in 1980 (the year of your birth) I couldn't find Stooges Fun House for love or money, not on vinyl not on tape- I even wrote letters to Electra, Iggy c/o Electra to no avail. And that had been a problem my whole listening career- no back catalog, if something was a few years old you were out of luck.
In 1999 I couldn't find any Sun Ra titles, even with the internet I couldn't find them. But guess what, I found them in file share- no fucking problem.
After we started broadcasting our files all over the globe, THEN and ONLY THEN did we start to see everything re-issued, remastered , bonus track, new fucking artwork. And now we have all the music we want. We have more music than we know what to do with.
Napster is (was) The Greatest Of The Musical Gods!!!
And Music Forums
they have had a huge impact on my musical experience. Finally, someone to share the weird ass music I like- with.
Yeah, The Internet, Yeah^^^^^^^
More influence on music since 1980. More even than BUTCH (big suprise, I took Cobain into a studio and somehow managed to make a killer record) VIG!
but he was in Garbage!
Oh...i see.
uhm
this is like writing an article on The Most Influential Musicians Of All Time and putting sheet music at number one, or compact discs.
i don't think by "etc" Mike meant "everything else in the world ever".
*my pick
:>
For a more commercial slant
The 80s work of Madonna and Michael Jackson?
In hip hop Timberland for sure. I really quite strongly dislike his influence on hip hop (i much prefer the "dirtier" sound of the Wu Tang Clan, Cypress Hill, Bone Thugs etc) but it seems almost all commercial Hip hop of the last decade (and a lot of pop for that matter) has Timberland's signature sound all over it.
If we talk a bit more about my own personal tastes, Beastie Boys most definitely. The Smiths yeah, though i want to say Siouxsie and the Banshees/Magazine so much as all i seem to hear in much of Jonny Marr's guitar work is the rehashing of John McGeoch's playing, and has been re-rehashed(!) time and time again in countless indie bands through the 90s and 00s.
Though if i put my hand on my heart i know that perhaps the majority of both bands best work predated 1980 and it's unfair to put them in this catagory. Just as it would be unfair to put Devo/Joy Division here imho.
Neptunes along with Timberland maybe?
I love the Beastie Boys too.
Not in a good way
but The Libertines are surely responsible for a lot of modern guitar bands...
Fuck YEAH for flea/chili peppers/john frusciante
and obviously
Radiohead
THE SMITHS FOR GODS SAKE
Joy division
oasis, for better or worse
the libertines, ibid
hmmm would kraftwerk count?
Aphex twin
I remember Kraftwerk being very influential in the 80's
And they put out important 80's albums i.e., Autobahn and Computer World.
Depends
is this slanted towards bands that influenced the marketable "DiS readership" bands or the wider world? i'm guessing the former.
^ as with all these
types of questions, you can pretty much trace the line wherever you want it to go
Talking Heads?
Ian Mckaye
has to be up there.
Minor Threat, Fugazi and Dischord.
El-P too for his work with Company Flow and Def Jux.
PRINCE as well.
,
The Cure/My Bloody Valentine/De La Soul/Sonic Youth (eurgh)/Pixies/JAMC/Cocteaus/Slint.
TALK TALK.
I'd love to hear/read something in depth on Talk Talk,
and it took until the above to post it!
Joy Division has now been done to death (no pun intended, though none really elocuted), and I agree with what Thommo said a few posts above.
If you wanna push the boat out it could be really interesting. But if I see Oasis or The Libertines I will scream, and then cry, before scrupulously avoiding the article.
MF Doom (as a wildcard - what a talent and what an output! though I couldn't vouch for how "influential" he was)
Erykah Badu
Pixies
The Cure - Disintegration said EVERYTHING emo has ever had to say in ten years with more grace, drama, elegance and quality of musicianship.
Prince
and
Talking Heads
>
New Order
Daft Punk
Nirvana
Kraftwerk
Depeche Mode
Serge Gainsbourg
DJ Shadow
Wu-tang Clan
People under the stairs
Queen
The Chemical Brothers
R.E.M.
etc etc..
Queen...?
Mid-seventies, maybees, but after 1980... nuh uh.
What about..?
The Prodigy, Pixies, Moby, Sonic Youth, Morrissey/The Smiths..
Just inside
the 80s, especially if you consider The Ascension his best work (which I do) then Glenn Branca HAS to be included, esp. considering the influence on Sonic Youth. Lots of people are saying the Smiths, but theyre more of a closed than an open band - who did they aesthetically influence that didnt sound like they were ripping them straight off?
Same with
bands like Joy Division. I love them to death, but they werent really forerunners of anything were they? They represent more of a culmination of other influences than the start of a new set...I agree with the person above who says guys like Richie Hawtin (minimal is everywhere nowadays) and Juan Atkins...Frankie Knuckles, 808 State..
pioneering the post-punk movement..
is not considered influential in your eyes?
*baffled*
i dont know
im sure they were influential in making others want to make music, but in terms of things bands can appropriate from a band like joy division, im not so sure.
Brian
Eno?
And, sadly, Bono.
How has everyone forgotten...
PRINCE!
R'n'B, Soul and Funk had never been merged with rock in the same way Prince did and would never be the same again.
He's ground-breaking, genre-defying and if it wasn't for him wanting to knob everybody all the time, parental advisory stickers for CDs would never have happened.
His influence on modern artists like Timberland and Timberlake, the Neptunes et al is unquestionable.
He HAS to be one of the most influential since 1980s.
hmmmm
Smiths / REM
Radiohead / Cure
Nirvana / Pixies / Husker Du
Chuck D / Rick Rubin / RZA / El-P
Depeche Mode / Duran Duran / New Order
Stock / Aitken / Waterman
Jam / Oasis
Aphex / Autechre / BoC
ENO / U2
White Stripes / Jane's Addiction
Prince / Timbaland / Neptunes / Quincy Jones
yeah actually
cocteaux / Talk Talk / MBV
that axis of sad old loveliness too
annnnd
Flaming Lips / Fridman / Mercury Rev / Neil Young / Beards