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Well, it was watchable (Football Thread)

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by ht27

Morning all. So, last night eh? Pretty epic stuff. More watchable than most expected I imagine, plenty of chances even if 'good football' in the Arsenal sense of the word was shown only in flashes.

I thought Man United had much the better of the first half and should have been 3 ahead by half time. Ronaldo gave United the lead although the header was neither stunning nor exquisite as Andy Gray would have me believe. It was a free header 6 yards out at the far post. You'd expect him to score. Chelsea scored at the perfect time, minutes before half time to give them the impetus for the 2nd half. I can imagine there's going to be a lot of people coming on here talking about the deflections etc, but fair play to Lampard, he gambled and won.

Second half Chelsea completely bossed. Man United were completely overpowered and hanging on at times. They still looked pretty dangerous on the break though. Chelsea though, for all the pressure barely worked Van der Sar. Drogba was unlucky to hit the post.

I thought extra time was more even. Giggs should have scored (although Terry did ever so well to clear with his head) and Lampard was also unlucky to hit the bar. It's a shame that nonsense at the end happened though. No complaints about Drogba's red card. Potentially a typically petulant end to his Chelsea career. The fans deserve better than that kind of behaviour. It was a shame to see the referee being harrangued again though when decisions went against teams. Ballack and Makelele being the biggest culprits.

So to penalties. It was nice to see Ronaldo's stupid pause in his run up fail, and being the evil shit I am to see John Terry's foot slip from underneath him as he shot. Interesting to see as well that he was the only Englishman to miss in the shoot out.

In the end I think the margin between the two sides was wafer thin. As the league campaign suggested. Had the game been over 90 minutes you'd have said the draw was the right result.

Anyway, enough of that - onto other matters.

Ibrahima Sonko is a target for Stoke and West Brom.

Liverpool want £16million for Xabi Alonso from Juventus.

Scott Carson looks unlikely to be signing for Aston Villa permanently.

Clement Chantome and Francis Coquelin are the latest Frenchmen to be linked with Arsenal.

Blackburn are likely to sign Hossam Ghaly.

Wolves could offer £4million for Burnley striker Kyle Lafferty.

There's really little else around.

ht27 | 22 May '08, 08:33 | Send note | Report this | Reply

£4million

For Kyle Lafferty?!


I striker who averages

a goal every 8 games..?

Granted, I haven't seen much of him, but he never particularly fills me with excitement.


I think he plays better as a left-winger

but I definitely think he's got £4million pounds worth of talent (in the context of football - outside of that it's a ridiculous figure).


For £4,000,000...

I'd sell him in an instant, he's been fairly pish this year. Aside from internationals, but we don't play Sweden every week.

Harvest his organs for bits of the new stand!


Feel pretty shit about it

I'm in agreement with Drogba. To behave like that, with what was at stake, is quite frankly disrespectful to every Chelsea fan.

Can't really complain though. It was typical Chelsea really; we had the game and shoot-out by the scruff of the neck and still couldn't finish them off. If anything, I hope some good can come from this, because I honestly think we need to make big changes to how we play, approach teams and also in terms of personel.


John Terry's penalty.

LoLsville. You used to play for a big club etc etc! But seriously, it was a pretty exciting game. I thought Chelsea just shaded it over the 120 minutes but that's football.


It wasn't good

but the best players in the world have missed vital penalties. I don't think it reflects on the quality of his game at all


Drogba (despite all the goals he's got for us) is a prize cunt

the sooner he fucks off and we can have a forward that isn't a diving, petulant little drama queen the better. Im proud of how we played last night and thought we probably deserved it (just) over the 120 minutes but fair play to united. When ronaldo missed i really believed we could do it....there's always next year i spose.


2 strikers next year please

Your typical brick shithouse and nifty, pacy partner please. Less long ball too.


As much as i appreciate the goals and him helping us to 2 titles

i've enever liked the bloke and everyone who sits round me at the bridge is constantly moaning about his frankly embarassing play at times. When he's playing shit he always comes up to the Matthew Harding waving his arms trying to get everyone going and most people tell him to fuck off. I dunno who would get as many goals though really?


Also...

How in god's name has Florent "I cant believe my Luck" Malouda played in a Champions League Final AND a world cup final?? HOW HAS THIS HAPPENED


Can we nip in the bud

the Mr Chelsea nickname for John Terry? Both Tyldesley and Tyler used it last night as he shaped up for the penalty, and I see Lampard's called him it in a post-match interview.


Nothing to add to that except

how good was Hargreaves' penalty? There's no saving them.


nope

it was ace.
even my mum text me after to say she'd watched and liked it


Oh well if your mum said it was great.....

it must have been a classic.

Is your mum Michelle Platini?


^ that website = :D

I typed "insert sad wah wah waaah clown falling over noise" on another website earlier, now i can just link to that! =|:D


I got my annual hit of John Terry crying

so I'm happy. But it was a pretty good game from what I saw.


i only saw 1 minute of the game

and in that minute, christian ronald scored, and the commentator said what i said he'd say. i then gave up on football, conceeding that it is a tripe predictable game


I'm seriously worried

about Terrys tear ducts, they took some battering.

What did Tevez do that wound everyone up and lead to Drogba getting the red?


I thought that

looked to be something about giving the ball back but I don't know. Cue all the 6'3" Chelsea brutes steaming in to push the 4'6" player about.


Don't be silly

Those group clashes happened 3 or 4 times throughout the night and each team gave as good as they got


that was the one

negative, the constant harassing of the ref, whilst both teams were guilty I think Chelsea were worse.


Well I wasn't really talking about harassing the ref

More harassing each other. And they were as bad as each other at that.


I'm not entirely sure

I was getting a drink from the kitchen so missed the build up to the slap.


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as i saw it, he was gonna give the ball back to chelsea but also beckoned the man utd players to come and put pressure on them...i could be wrong though


John Terry was immense throughout...

and Ashley Cole was superb as well.

I thought Chelsea were the better side overall and should have a penalty late on when Rio aimed that roundhouse kick at Joe Cole's head...

Nice to see Ronaldo not quite live up to expectations in the big game...no change there then.


he scored a vital goal

I think that is living up to expectations


Not worth splitting hairs over

but he didn't play as you'd expect someone of his ability to play.


...not when you're proclaimed as the world's best player

it's not.

Nice illegal penalty as well...


scored a goal

set up another great chance, done his job very well. No one player stood out really, if you're going to criticise someone it should be Rooney


Agree on the criticism of Rooney

Worst player on the pitch by far for me. Totally anonymous throughout.


Joe Cole

did nothing


WHAT?!!!


^this

Rooney has underperformed massively in the last two years in my opinion and was completely useless last night


Rooney's definitely a bit of a shadow at the minute...

although apparently he's 'doing a marvellous job for the team'.

I thought Terry and Cole were the best players on show last night, much as it'll pain people to admit it.


Lampard for me

Covered every blade of grass and seemed to be the one player making things happen throughout.


Evra too

Though to defend Ronaldo (God I feel ill) there's not much you can really do when you team are the permanent backfoot, and he made several breaks that relieved pressure at important times


True

I also think both goalkeepers deserve a mention as they made some terrific saves at crucial times, Van Der Sar in particular.


Van Der Sar also looked quite shakey in parts...

and should have changed his boots early doors...


I thought he only slipped the once

in the second half when Ballack shot well over. For the goal that Andy Gray was determined to blame on him, he clearly took a step to his right to claim the ball just on the second deflection, so it's only natural he struggled to change direction and move left again in time. Perhaps a little hesitant to come out on occasion, but nothing particularly bad.


He made some awesome saves too

particularly in the second half of normal time. Why is it people only notice if a keeper makes one slight error of judgment yet forget the fact that for the rest of the game he's been pretty much faultless? It happens down the City Ground every other week too, yet Paul Smith kept 25 clean sheets this season, more than any other keeper in the Nationwide League.


I thought Ronaldo

was excellent overall.


^^ this

he had the beating of Essien most of the night.


mainly the first half

Essien done well after that


^this...

second half Essien was superb and Ronaldo was far less of a threat...


I still would say Ronaldo had the best of it

I don't know what most people expect from Ronaldo. He can't beat 11 players and score in every game. He was disciplined and dangerous last night. If I was a united fan I would have been very happy.


....I guess i'm just waiting for him to dominate a game

at the very highest level, like he's done in the league this season (a la Messi against United or Kaka last year). He wasn't the difference between the sides last night, and in a game as close as that, 'the best player in world' should be.


Whilst I agree about Kaka

dominating the game against United last season I don't think you can say the same about Messi. Although he was excellent his end product wasn't there and he didn't influence the end result at all.


Maybe, i'm guess i'm just an old football romantic

and messi's performance against united, was quite beautiful (the running with ball part). Unfortunately for him, the rest of his team weren't up to it.


Agreed

it was wonderful to watch.


Yup

so much so that Joe Cole had to double up on him. He was disciplined, worked for the team rather than himself and was United's most creative force.


Immensity

doesn't really cover "missing the crucial penalty", though. Although do note that Anelka missed an even more critical penalty and nobody - Grant, Lampard, everyone else - has rushed to defend his ability.


Because as a Chelsea fan

I don't really believe he'll care as much as Terry will


See their reactions

at the end for confirmation...


I thought Cole had an excellent second half

I must say though as an Arsenal fan it was great to see him wearing another losers medal.


I got back from Feist

and watched every single minute. Christ what a game.


i like how they flash up

the distance covered stats in the game and it was joe cole and makelele and ballack who had covered a fair bit of it....from running up to the ref all the time


Is is alright

if I felt really sick-to-the-stomach upset and and sorry for John Terry?

I mean I was pleased Man U won and everything, I just felt bad for him. Poor JT :( I thought I didn't like him, strange emotions....

Hossam GhaLOLy


I just found the whole thing completely boring.

To be fair, though, most European Cup Finals are. As a football fan, and one that didn't really mind either side winning i just felt shortchanged by everything that happened. Although i'm obviously not Yoonited's biggest fan i said yesterday that i'd be happy as long as it was a good game and the better side won, and neither of those things happened. I thought it was mind-sappingly dull until the first goal, and after that the rags played really well for fifteen minutes or so, but from around five minutes before their goal until the end of the first period of extra time i thought Chelsea were excellent, playing the most expansive football, condidently dominating United in every area of the pitch and were very unlucky to not score. Obviously both sides know previous to the game that if they can't settle it over two hours then penalties will decide it, but it says nothing about football for me, as i said last night there's very little skill involved, it's a pure lottery, and more nervewracking than exciting from a personal point of view, even when my own team isn't involved. Once the play was finished United could only do what they had to, i'm not doubting that, but a bumbling and completely untechnical centre-half putting one kick an inch off target shouldn't be the absolute decider for the pinnacle of European football, imo. Had United won the game then no-one could doubt that they'd be the best team in Europe, i just don't think the match last night proved anything other than English players have an inherrant problem with penalties. To sum up, Chelsea didn't win in normal time because they weren't clinical enough with their chances, but i thought the officials made it hard for them, second half i think i counted a dozen decisions go against Chelsea, not getting corners or fouls, or to a lesser extent conceding corners and fouls when they shouldn't have, not massive decisions, no, but in games like this where the differences are so slight i felt that they weren't getting them. I also felt like Makelele, Ballack & Cole had every right to moan to the referee and to start getting annoyed. Drogba, well, he's an idiot, and a bottler, the rules are the rules and the referee had to send him off, the player should know better, but i also think that the rules want looking at, i'm not sure slapping a 6ft 3 15stone brute on the chin warrants the same immediate punishment as, say, kicking him in the face. Stuff like that should always be a yellow card, for me, petulent as it is it's hardly dangerous, but of course the referees don't make the rules. As it goes people will hyperbole about 'Fergies best ever team', we'll see replays of 'that night in Moscow' until the next British team squeeks through to the final, and the press and a million new-Reds will be waxing lyrical about how great their club is/was/will be. In reality they were very lucky and Chelsea proved that they're at least as good a side and should've won, but as a football fan you'll take that. Fair play to them.


I think another ref may have produced a yellow

given the size of the players involved and how soft the contact was. But then again, Drogba knows the rules and the ref was fully entitled to produce a red. Drogba was the bellend there.


.

it should definitely be a red. just because it's not as bad as kicking him in the face doesn't mean it's a stupid, petulant and wankernosed thing to do. it's nice to see a referee having the balls to show that he isn't going to stand for that sort of shit.


According to rules, it should be a booking.

Which card is at the referee's discretion.


until the goal I was worried

it could be as bad as Milan Juventus. When it gets to 20 odd minutes with no hint of a shot, there was a feeling it would be a dull match. Good job it turned out differently.


It wasn't the best game of football

I've ever seen, but it was far from boring.

Although the first European Cup final I saw was Marseille v Red Star Belgrade, so pretty much any match seems like Romania v Argentina 1994 in comparison.


Drogba is a moron

The rule is right, the players should be less fucking stupid.


Re: English players and penalties

6 British players took penalties, 5 scored them. 4 of those were England internationals. 8 Foreign players took penalties, 2 missed them.


Which one wasn't an England international?

All nine English players playing were internationals, no?


He said British,

so Giggs


I thought it was a top exciting game

Some of the football at times was immense. Man United nearly scored the greatest goal of all time and once Chelsea realised that playing long ball to on up front against two of the best centre backs in the world wasn't going to work and kept it on the deck they looked tidy. Chelsea dominated the game, but they never really threatened the way United did when they had the ball. You felt United could score at any time, and with the shots off the post and the bar for Chelsea you had to feel it was United's night.

There. I've been civil. Which is more than I've managed in real life. I still haven't stopped laughing. In fact any time I'm down for the rest of my life I'll just remember the pub erupting in laughter when Terry cacked it. And no, not fair play to him for standing up and taking it, he was taking the piss, he got greedy and wanted to be the hero when he's clearly never taken a penalty in his life.


*cougheuro2004*

but apart from that, your text had me in stitches last night.


On another point, here is a list of people who are cunts

Joe Cole - what a cunt. The pitch must of been covered in charlie because he spent large periods rolling in his face on it for no reason I could discern.

Makkele - Oh my word, what a horrible cunt of a man

Terry - Played very well, but still and utter cunt and I laughed my head off when he missed

Drogba - I think even Chelsea fans in the pub cheered when he got sent off. Couldn't have happened to a bigger cunt.

Ronaldo - Boy you're talented but you can be a right cunt sometimes, and got what you deserved for your cunt penalty

Scholes - Bit of a cunt in a really sly way