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The Definitive Genius List

It's kind of like the yeah or meh "band everone loves" thread.

Give us a "genius" we can hail or nail.



  • The "Floored Genius" Julian Cope

    .

  • Here are some

    William Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Rene Descartes, Socrates.

    Those are the best I can do off the top of my head, but if I think of others I'll let you know.

    • Newton - pretty overrated?

      • His earlier stuff

        was definitely much better.

        • I don't know

          What are you basing the idea that he was overrated on?

          Newton is not the greatest scientist ever, but was a true original with passion and innovative ideas.

          I thought of another: Leonardo Da Vinci

          • I meant MUSICAL geniuses

            not MUCUSAL geniuses

          • Cliff Burton

            I think i love him just a little too much

          • David Bowie

            The Beatles

            • Lee "Scratch" Perry

              He went mad and burnt his studio down. Going mad usually hints at genius. See also: Brian Wilson, Syd Barratt, Gazza, etc.

              • Phil Spektor

                • lee perry?

                  '

                • pioneer of the point and click method

                  • I always thought the "wall of sound" was idiotic in the age of stereo

                    and he's got bad taste in clothes. John Lennon thought he was a genius- takes one to know one?

              • Frank Zappa

                = Genius

              • Jimmy Nail

              • John Lennon

                Hank Williams
                Sufjan Stevens

                hail or jimmy?

                • Obvious but...

                  Brian Wilson

                • I predict this one will cause massive arguments

                  but nobody can argue with Stevie Wonder.

                  • not Stevie Woner, just this thread in general btw

                    • Christ, Stevie WONDER

                      that's the worst sequence of posts in the history of my time here.

                      • Hendrix as well.

                      • ^lol

                      • ^yea

                      • dont be so hard on yourself

                        • Jeff Mangum

                          • ive climbed back down off the roof now,

                            thanks

                          • Poetically, not musically.

                            • indierific

                              the fact reminds that 80% of what he wrote was absolute shit though

                              • his chords were simple,

                                doesnt mean his music wasnt innovative.

                                • :(

                                  • Jake Thackray

                                    And I only discovered him today.

                                    • ^ wrong

                                      • ha!

                                        wrong to me saying Thackray or Mangum?

                                      • Innovation doesn't have to equate to genius.

                                        • Paul McCartney

                                          or too obvious? My mum's obsessed with Ecce Cor Meum (the classical thing he did) and I must say I quite like it,a lthough it took him years to put together because he can't read or write music.

                                          • .

                                            Kate Bush
                                            Julian Cope

                                            • not really

                                              if you consider everything that isnt on avery or in the aeroplane. even a lot of avery island is a bit...sub par

                                            • Newton Faulkner

                                          • you super morons

                                            neil
                                            young

                                            • hails for John and Hank

                                              I don't know Sufjan well enough to judge. His orchestral gigs and costumery is definitely clever.

                                            • OR DOES IT?!

                                              • novelty fringe coats

                                                sorry

                                                • Depends what how you class 'genius'

                                                  but my vote goes to Tom Waits.

                                                  • Frank Sidebottom

                                                    • hail

                                                      but wait, he does need to collaborate with a lyricist.

                                                      nah

                                                      a hardy hail!

                                                      He is a genius just for his "Lee Baby Simms" character

                                                    • Steven Stapleton

                                                      monster genius!

                                                    • Richard Feynman

                                                      Surely!

                                                    • Richard D James

                                                      Jerry Dammers

                                                    • Personally

                                                      Josh Davis (aka Dj Shadow) is a genius in my eyes as well as a contiual source of inspiration.

                                                    • Actually Newton was a bit of a nutter

                                                      he was obsessed by a lot of totally unscientific numerology and quasi-religious mystical theories (about the number 7 and the layout of buildings in Jerusalem and stuff)and this severly skewed a lot of his work.

                                                      • are you the guy who started the 'why does

                                                        no-one talk about Stevie Wonder' Thread a while ago? If not then there's two of you Wonder-lovers roaming these boards and you guys should hook up.

                                                        • Frank Sidebottom looks cool

                                                          Is there a dvd or something?

                                                          • No....

                                                            you'll only find some antiquated YouTube clips and some bargain bin albums.

                                                        • nutters are big in genius land

                                                          My gosh, name me one genius who wasn't saving their urine or talking to lamp posts.

                                                          ha

                                                          I'm sure there has been a few geniuses who were/are normal by social standards.

                                                        • You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid?

                                                          well mine are EVEN WORSE.

                                                          • jeff Buckley

                                                            Genius or Natural Wonder?

                                                          • Angus Young

                                                            Genius or Natural Wonder?

                                                          • Pete Townshend

                                                            .

                                                          • Marc Bolan

                                                            .

                                                          • Coltrane

                                                            Miles Davis

                                                            • NO.

                                                              • That's what I thought you meant.

                                                                Why was he not a musical genius then?

                                                                • john cage

                                                                  & thurston moore.

                                                                  • .

                                                                    What I find so affecting about Mangum is that the lyrics are so complex and beautiful but are over, sometimes, rudimentary music. For instance, Two Headed Boy is a great song but I have no idea how you could class it genius.

                                                                    On In The Aeroplane...(my favourite song btw) Mangum wouldn't have been able to make it so heartbreaking yet optimistic without the input of the rest of the band. NMH is collective genius, not individual.

                                                                    • ^this

                                                                    • for goodness sake

                                                                      Nick Cave

                                                                    • Regina Spektor

                                                                      Bob Dylan obviously
                                                                      And Thom Yorke ¬ ¬

                                                                      • P.S.: Elliott Smith

                                                                        And QUITE POSSIBLY!!! QUITE POSSIBLY! Conor Oberst. I haven't decided on that last one yet.

                                                                        • That should say almost* rudimentary.

                                                                          Just 'rudimentary' would be a piss take.

                                                                        • wasn't me.

                                                                          but thanks for the thought. x

                                                                        • Leonard Cohen.

                                                                    • Prince...

                                                                      Prince, Prince, Prince

                                                                      • what's the implication here?

                                                                        My parents used to jump for joy when I brought home report cards that were devoid of failing grade- "Wow honey, not one single "F"!"

                                                                      • cocker...

                                                                        jarvis not joe that is.

                                                                        thompson...hunter s.

                                                                      • M. Gira

                                                                        .

                                                                      • Tim Hardin

                                                                        ?

                                                                    • point understood.

                                                                      :)

                                                                    • I HATE THIS THREAD

                                                                      • mee too, hee, hee, hoo

                                                                        thanks

                                                                        : (

                                                                      • yup

                                                                        • I was desparate for a non- twee_loser thread

                                                                          not really, I like his threads and I like douchebag bags "o" fun too. I know proclaiming "genius" without proper testing and documentation is farcical and an idiotic waste of braincells (oh what irony) but I did it and I appologize- at least I didn't ask the question: Are there more male of female geniuses in music? And why?

                                                                          • Jelly Roll Morton

                                                                            Ralf Hütter

                                                                          • nope,

                                                                            he is a stone cold genius. i could class two headed boy as genius no worries.

                                                                            • ^this

                                                                              ...but it's all subjective, really.
                                                                              Finding a definitive genius list is an impossible task :(

                                                                            • because women have held a much more auxiliary role in music

                                                                              for most of its history. Up until the mid sixties there were no "female artists" really, there were people who sang songs and people who were involved but very few singular "artists". And even when women got a more prominent role they were overwhelmed by male creators, and have been to this day, even despite the more recent sexual revolutions which have left men subjucated to women

                                                                              I think music has just been a bit of a Boy's Club since day one

                                                                              • don't start goddamnit!

                                                                                It was a joke question ya douchebag

                                                                                : )

                                                                                ps - in the interest of peace i can't reply to your answer which i must say is worthy of one.

                                                                                sorry

                                                                                • i don't think

                                                                                  lennon or mccartney were genius on their own... more of a collective genius thing no?

                                                                                • ;)

                                                                                  Lyrically, not musically..

                                                                                • bowie

                                                                                  sucks

                                                                                • Definite geniuses in my book

                                                                                  Johnny Marr
                                                                                  Bernard Butler
                                                                                  David Bowie
                                                                                  Nick Cave
                                                                                  Prince
                                                                                  Andrew Eldritch
                                                                                  Jimi Hendrix
                                                                                  Jimmy Page

                                                                                  • bernard butler

                                                                                    is a great shout.