"Napkin Niceties
The napkin should go on your lap once everyone has been seated. If it is a large napkin, fold it in half. If you leave the table briefly mid-meal, the napkin is placed on your chair. At the end of the meal, put your napkin to the left of your plate."
http://www.4hoteliers.com/4hots_fshw.php?mwi=494
But also, very wrong:
http://rjharrison.co.uk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=43
What the hell would they know?
They're only professional bakers.
I usually put the napkin on my head,
make sure everyone on the table has seen and acknowledged it, then put it in my pocket and smell it when I get home.
Yeah, sure, in ALBANIA or something
a good note for the future
but someone ate the food off my friend's plate that was destined for the bin so 'napkin niceties' weren't forefront on anyone's mind at the time. and i eat bread from the freezer.
Well breadmakers/sellers WOULD tell you that
They don't care about people being stupid if it's getting them more money...
Your worldview is inspiring
Things I like/believe in
Stupid people/things
There doesn't seem to be any middle-ground. I'm in awe of you.
But there rarely is a middle ground
9 times out of 10, something is right or wrong, true or false, stupid or not stupid.
Isn't that "statistic" a little bit ironic?
No
C'mon, not even a little bit?
She's right. Rain on your wedding day is ironic.
Keep up.
Right now
all I need is a knife
you are probably the most strangely opinionated person i know of
are you actually weird or is it just an internet thing?
Well, I talk less away from the internet
The thought process works the same though.
Logic, sense, manners etc, which seemingly now counts as 'strange'. Which is kind of sad really.
Your arguments are far from logical
take that from a man who's studied logic.
There's nothing to study about logic
It's intrinsically logical. Studying it would be logical. And then it wouldn't make sense and I'd get confused.
You can study how it works
and what are the attributes of a logical argument/discussion.
It's a good skill for identifying bullshitters/irrational people.
There's only one attribute
Logic.
And if you can't study that then you're back to making no sense at all.
What a silly thing to say
Maybe you should read something like this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Wilfrid-Hodges/dp/0141003146/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212666488&sr=8-2
http://tinyurl.com/6bgb3l
Also: how would define logic (without using the word 'logic')?
I don't care
If what I'm saying is 'wrong', there's no point in logic even existing, and whatever I have gets to the right results, which makes it superior, I think.
What are the right results?
The ones I get
You are probably the most irrational person I've ever experienced
you have the reasoning skills of an ape.
To be fair, if you were saying otherwise
that would make you rational, therefore me irrational. So you basically just proved that I'm rational and therefore you are not.
but he hasn't
thats just your opinion, whicch is wrong, im afraid
but that's just your opinion
pocketmouse is being logical apparently, so that means she is never wrong!
born again christian much?
Then tell me your reasoning
why your choices are the 'right' ones.
Why would I spend my time trying to rationalise
with irrational people?
Do you have any friends that aren't animated?
I'm guessing not.
I think my sister likes me
And she's basically the only other non-stupid person I know. So it would make sense that she does.
Were you both involved in a childhood trauma?
:D
So, so much!
Also
you should probably tell all the philosphers who are currently studying that, they'd be interested to know that they're working on nothing.
I'm sure they're already aware of that
And if not, they're probably not capable of doing anything worthwhile or productive anyhow.
but logically speaking, nothing cannot exist!
Is it surprising that I can relate to PocketMouses logic?
Yep, I'm admitting it, I don't make sense half the time.
No, you can't relate to my logic
I'm not stupid.
You'd have to be also not stupid to relate to my logic.
GOLD
^ :D
It was a joke..
..you do make sense but other people on here don't see it that way. Which is similar to me, see that other thread about you, I defended you didn't I.
Well then stop it
You're making everything I say become void, and it's annoying.
How does this make any sense?
EXACTLY
I'm not sure if you said that to make me feel better, but THANK GOD anyhow.
Hey wait, you're trying not to make sense?
But I understand some of your not making sense. If I'm wrong then maybe I don't. Or maybe It's me that's not making any sense. ;)
you two are perfect for each
other
Are you trying to make them breed?
I'm pitching the idea
to Channel Five this afternoon
They'll probably take you up on that.
Although I'm a little sceptical, how much will I get paid?
not a penny
Done
you never had a choice
I was scared, confused and alone.
Will you look after me?
I hate you
I don't hate people much at all. I pity them often. Rarely hate them.
But I hate you.
I love you
ying and yang baby*
*that's what we can call our kids
Last sentence
BINGO
:-(
It's often less the beliefs/logic
and more than the black/white view of a lot of issues. There seems to be very little grey in PocketMouse's world, which I find quite amazing.
Credit for holding and sticking to her beliefs though.
Which is exactly the point I'm trying to make.
I can be very black and white about things I believe in.
Like I said, there's very little grey area in reality
Things are nearly always one thing or the other.
yes, but
we can rarely tell which they are, because all our perceptions are subjective.
No they're not
Well, mine certainly aren't. And other people's probably aren't as such, but because they're irrational anyhow, it doesn't mean the same thing really.
yes they are.
you just don't realise that they are. the way you see the world is governed by past experience, hell, even genetics.
Do you understand that the word 'irrational' has a meaning
that's not "people who think differently from me".
Or are you now going to argue that words mean whatever you want them to mean because you're right?
It has a meaning
that meaning fits in perfectly with "people who think differently to me" on nearly every occasion.
good lord.
this is dreadful
No, this is sad :(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/kaka_is_dead
sure....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/wow_original_AND_clever
hmmm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/zing!
manners that include calling people stupid?
logic that includes no reasoning?
sense that has no basic logic?
you make great points
:D I'm really enjoying this
<3
Swoon
Everyone has limits
Plus, they know they're being stupid. They do it intentionally a lot of the time. Which is something only stupid people would do I suppose, but the point still stands.
And like I said, my thought process, logic or no logic, arrives at the right conclusions, so how I get there becomes irrelevant, surely?
but the right conclusions are only right to you
hence they are meerly your opinions, and anyone who cannot accept that their opinion isn't always correct, is being completely self rightious. and all that that leads to is a failure to be able to learn from other people's research, be it direct life experience or factual learning.
That doesn't make sense
Why would I believe something I think may or may not be right? There'd be no point in thinking it at all if that were the case.
then why do you STILL believe that you can't freeze bread, for example
either, you have a superiority complex, or are completely unable to learn from other people.
also if there is no point in thinking things that may or may not be right, then how can you ever hypothasise? surely that's an important tool in deciding your opinions on things?
also on the same point, if you cannot think things which may or may not be right, what exactly do you think about?
I'm not talking about bread
There's no point. I've said why and I'm not going over it all again. There's no point. Needless to say, my points are valid. People here only disagree with what I say because they want to annoy me.
Because I know. I know what's stupid. I know what isn't stupid. It's a pretty useful skill.
"People here only disagree with what I say because they want to annoy me."
ACTUAL GOLD!!
ACTUAL GOLD!
no. really, we don't.
we disagree with you because you are nuts. you can freeze bread. you can freeze soup. it really doesn't matter in the slightest if a person puts their napkin on the plate.
Stop trying to annoy her, stupid
but it's stupid to believe something that can be disproven
such as the rather frequently given example of freezing bread.
all points are valid, until a counter example is discovered, or they are disproved. in which case, points need to be reassessed. it seems to me, that you are unable to reassess things properly.
It can't be 'disproven' at all
The argument people give is "I do it and I'm alive" and "It looks like normal bread" and "It tastes the same"
a) They probably don't. They say they do to wind me up.
b) Just because you're alive doesn't mean it isn't having a harmful effect on your body.
c) Just because something looks the same doesn't mean it is the same. Most harmful things aren't visible at all.
d) They've probably warped all their tastebuds by continuously eating frozen/out of date foods.
See, I can easily disprove everything they say.
YOU ARE ACTUALLY MENTALLY DEFICIENT.
i'm sorry. thats it. simple as.
But, you see, I take things people say
and reverse them, and then it gets the right answer. So with rationality/irrationality taken in to account, the only thing that can be drawn from you saying that is that I am not mentally deficient, and other people are. Or something like that.
That's called denial
are you willing to dispute that?
Not at all
Because other people are irrational, the things they say are inherently nonsensical.
but they arent
its a SCIENTIFIC FACT that frozen and defrosted bread is safe to consume.
you think that you, a yougn girl are right and a million highly intelligent scientists are wrong?
It's not
And EVEN IF it isn't harmful (which it is) it doesn't change the fact that you're completely changing it. You're making it go solid. And bread shouldn't be all solid. It's just strange. If it's past it's date it's past it's date. And putting it in with ice isn't going to change that. You just don't freeze bread. You can eat it, you can heat it, you can't freeze it.
but freezing it, is preserving it's state
by making it solid, you are preventing it from either decomposing, or allowing any carbon based organisms from developing in it. your opinion is wrong based on scientific fact, FACE IT!
It's not preserving it's CHANGING
Bread not in the freezer is entirely different to bread in the freezer. It's changing. It doesn't magically become the same as if nothing had happened when you defrost it. Sighhhhh
i know, i said as much earlier
but all it does is dramatically slow down the aging process, as with any other item of food that you freeze. have you ever had a frozen pizza?
Frozen pizza is supposed to be frozen
but it's made of bread!
It's not the same kind
And it's supposed to be frozen, hence is sold frozen. It still has a use-by date on, which you don't exceed.
but it's cooked in the same way, it's just frozen differently!
BUT SOME BREAD IS SOLD FROZEN TOO!
yes it does
do you know what freezing IS?
did you do science at school?
It doesn't, that would be impossible
Similar, but not the same. At all.
why do you think freezers exist?
food goes bad because of bacteria etc. cold temperatures stop this from happening, yes the structure of what has been frozen will have been effected by freezing and thawing but not in a way that is at all harmfull
It goes solid
You don't need to be a scientist to know that isn't how bread is supposed to be.
what about meat or fish
or anything else that goes into a freezer, if you refuse to accept bread should be frozen you should also refuse to accept any food should be frozen
I wouldn't eat frozen meat
That's just strange.
You only freeze things that are intended to be frozen. If they're intended to be frozen, they'll be already frozen with a frozen use-by date on them.
what about frozen ready meals with meat in or bags of mince or burgers etc
they come ready frozen why is it ok for the manufacturers to freeze them?
keeping thins past their date is the whole reason freezers even exist
*replied in the wrong place
a) probably doesn't constitute any form of definitive argument
b) please quantify your apparent harmful effect.
c) i'm not saying there is no degredation in taste, but harmful is entirely different.
d) can i clarify, are you saying that out of date foods and frozen foods, warp your taste buds?
a) Most people saying stuff didn't actually mean it
b) Continuously eating out of date / frozen food, it'll build up. And you'll get more used to it, so maybe not sick, but it'll build up, and make you less healthy. It's standard science. Plus, people probably don't know what it is that makes them feel ill most of the time.
c) They're related. If something isn't harmful, a good indication is it tastes like should. And even then it could still be dangerous.
d) Pretty much. Like if you ate a lemon every day, you'd probably register tastes differently to most people.
A)yes they did
they really did.
why do you assume they dont?
they really do mean it.
Because people on here always disagree with me
They do it intentionally. Everything I say, I always end up arguing against everybody, and that doesn't happen in reality.
I think you'll find that I don't always disagree with you.
I pretend you do
Otherwise, I'd have major self-worth issues.
Ok then, I'll always disagree with you from now on then.
^This sentence is like, sooooo gay.
hey, what's that, what's that?
a) frozen pizza!
b) it's possibly more likely to build up a healthy immune system as you are giving your body small test amounts of bacteria to kill.
c) day old bread doesn't taste the same as fresh bread, but it can still be within the use by date.
d) by which i can only assume you mean that everyone tastes things differently as they eat different things. plus seeing as how everyone is different, that is DEFINITELY the case. and?
dis would be so much more boring
without you.
haha
i've been eating frozen bread all my life and im not dead or ill.
No but you're WRONG
and that makes you STUPID and you deserve to GO TO HELL.
that's some smashing logic you have there!
Well seeing as I'm the only person in the world
who can be right about things, of course it is.
DING!
i love you
That's what YOU think
didn't people already know this?
basic!
posh^
don't people do this already?
urm
ah you see
the napkin you are more likely to get in a pub is a paper one where these rules don't apply
That's kind of what I think
but I only eat in pubs like the one in 'An American Werewolf In London'
You only eat in pubs
where Rik Mayall plays chess?
That's enough! That's. Enough.
The same thing applies with a paper napkin
more-or-less.
You still wouldn't ever put it ON TOP OF food.
yes, yes you would
you wipe your mouth with it, screw into a ball and plonk right in the middle of the plate.
^this
Wipe your mouth? Why would you need to do that?
Seriously.... what is so difficult about eating food without making a ridiculous mess. It's possibly the simplest thing ever. And no, you don't screw it up. Although screwing it up and putting it on the plate is probably preferable to covering food with it.
what do you think they
are for? Of course you wipe your mouth, it doesn't mean you've made a mess when eating.
When you screw it up and place it on the plate there's a possibility only a possibility mind that some food might be covered.
No matter how oddly you eat
Your mouth will need wiping.
The inside of it?
Because the food really shouldn't be getting anywhere else....
yes the inside of it
Now you're just being purposefully stupid
sigh....
right back atcha
How the hell do you eat!?
Through a straw?!
The area around your mouth always ges a covering of fat, gravy, sauce or crumbs.
You're being a twat again and I'm falling for it again.
she's good
I'm concerned people view this as normal...
You learn how to eat properly before school. It goes in the standard life things category with being able to tie shoe laces...
How would you eat a fajita full of chilli?
Please use diagrams and no logic.
Maybe she eats with her arse
as well as talking from it?
i love you, too
With a knife and fork?
Certainly if I were eating out. I don't care how people eat things when not in public.
BUT WHAT WOULD THE CHILEAN AMBASSADOR SAY?
"Wipe your mouth, you dirty cow"?
Do you think PocketMouse has a beard of old food?
I do now!
"SACRE BLEU!"
I've presumed he is the ambassador to France
Then logic me this:
Why would there be an ettiquette for napkins and their use if this was the case?
Etiquette which goes with eating etiquette which involves eating as mess-free as possible.
Surely these people won't need napkins!
It's just standard behaviour
You use things how your expected to use them.
that's not logical though
standard behaviour is completely arbitrary and not universal.
do you actually know what logic means?
read her posts and then take a wild guess!
i've made a logical deduction!
it's NO!
But there's no point in logic existing
so you're wrong!
Take that Plato!
im enjoying this SO much
i cant stop grinning
Like I said, if it's not logic
It's better than logic.
It doesn't make a difference to me if it is or isn't....
Mwahahaha
i really hope there's a DiS dinner party someday
oh the horror
can i host?!
The two Pocketmouse threads
are making me happy
Are you the kinda guy who laughs at a funeral?
I can't understand what you mean
then you are illogical
I can't help that I think its funny when you're mad
Yes he is. Yes he is.
As are you.
Go on, next funeral you go to just remember "Are you sure you want to exit the wizard?" and see how long you last.
Telegram for PocketMouse,
dear PocketMouse stop
did you once say that camden was dangerous questionmark stop
and did you also say that you hadn't been to camden questionmark stop
or am i missing something questionmark stop
i look forward to hearing from you stop
regards comma cyberdemon stop end
I tried to read this post but..
..the over usage of the word stop confused me.
stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop
posting you fucking twat.
What did I say about the word stop?
Please refrain from using this word so much in the future.
Thanks much appreciated.
You and PocketMouse are perfect for each other.
Someone already said that.
Get with the program. (Unless you'd alread seen Jack_El_Twatstick's post)
I have.
I'm trying to make it happen.
I think it's probably unlikely.
The problem is that I'm not actually a real person.
ohhhh
you're going there are you
Twatstick. Brilliant.
it almost sounds like biscuit
as well.
TOLD.
That's what makes it so brilliant..
..and to think that I worked that out all by myself.
be careful
it's funny cause it's mildly homophonic!
something about ringtones
:D
^Gay
^Gaylord!
^Gay Lordi fan
^closet Gaylordifan
^Gay for closet Gaylordifan
Wow, this could never end.
shut up GAYACTICSTAR3RECTION!
*Shoots multiple rockets at cyberdemons face*
*cyberannihilates gaylacticstar3rection*
Yeah, you got to close to me.
I couldn't get enough distance, I didn't realy stand a chance.
*really
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Today is ace!
:D
the first day I'm on DiS in ages, and it's pretty much solid gold.
I've been looking for that Camden thread :)
please find it
i don't really remember much about it
about from laughing a lot.
INCREDIBLE SCENES
http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/2915146
please may this thread
never die
That can be arranged.
I will be needing some accomplaces though.
WHO WOULD GO OUT AND EAT A CHEESE SANDWICH?
something about someone who works across from me
and a cheese sandwich. A few months ago.
:D :D :D :D :D
I'm broken
:D
This is the most I've enjoyed DiS in aaaaages
Let's go to Camden
to eat a cheese sandwich made from previously frozen bread and cheese that is 30 seconds out of date.
whilst walking backwards
on an escalator and vomitting into napkins
In the shower.
This actually sounds like a realistic
afternoon out in Camden.
sadly
the reality is much less exciting.
This is not the thread for reality!
:D:D:D:D:D:DD:D:D:D:D:D:D
so much
I had avoided this thread
as I thought it was just about napkins and dullness. How wrong I was. This is how DiS should be.
You avoided MY thread
And you ignored my Wayne's World joke earlier? You're the worst person ever.
where?
what?
I can't believe it. I live for your Wayne's World jokes :(
I hid it on the music board
I CAN'T FIND IT
*CRIES*
It was a Paul Hawkins thread ;)
if i could sell this thread, i'd be a millionare
as its PURE GOLD
:D
im actually crying
i dont think i've ever enjoyed dis so much.
pocktmouse, you are ridiculous, but i love you, never leave xxxxxxxxxx
^It's definitely in my top 10 threads.
;)
no one cares about your top 10
You're incorrect.
If I care, someone cares, namely me.
hey!
thats just unnessecarily harsh. even if i cant spell necessary
I fold mine into a poor model of a mouse
I then sit it on my arm, stroke it and (seemingly magically) make it run up my arm, to the delight of children < 5
Do you call it your pocket mouse?
Is it possible to retract
my statement the other day about PocketMouse "probably being a lot more intelligent than some of her posts indicate"?
Rarely have I seen an argument put together more haphazardly than her one here. It's that kind of logic that goes beyond bad logic into an area that you can't actually argue with, because it's so far removed from anything resembling reality or human thought patterns. Commandercool made a really good fist of it, but in the end when you're arguing with someone who, even when faced with indisputable evidence against what their saying, will continue persisting with their initial viewpoint. It's like religious thinking turned to eleven but without the involvement of any sort of deity, which I can understand clouding someone's perception of reality.
Fascinating throughout. Utterly bizzare.
This thread remind me of one that I made.
Something to do with fashion having no place in music, now that was irrational and made absolutely no sense.
*reminds
Link?
I'm not even embarrased.
http://discover.drownedinsound.com/articles/2578859
If that's grade 2 poor arguing
This thread is grade 1000.
I never claimed my thread to contain better "poor arguing"
Nothing can compare to this. There are similarities though.
she isn't illogical as such
she just refuses to recognise that what she is saying is opinion and not fact.
^Pretty illogical?
She is illogical anyway. Completely. On any level you want to define logic.
I too hadn't read the thread until now
It is pure, solid gold. I'm almost in tears from laughter.
pocketmouse= incredible
general levy missed a trick
Nice.
that's terrible.
But so terrible it's become funny.