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There was ana rticle in some music mag years ago saying pretty much the same thing.
It was hilarious.
I like Bob though.
Four really good records
then a lifetime of average/shit ones.
I think he's done alright out of it though, to be fair.
I'd actually say it's New Order (not technically a person)
but Dylan would be an easy second.
new order
are one of the most important bands from the last 25 years
lcd soundsystem? klaxons?
dylan aint bad too. time out of mind is a decent record.
new order.
are also responsible for influencing a LOT of shit bands. klaxons being one of many.
that's not new order's fault... :(
hmph!
like...
the rapture, hot hot heat, the bravery (ugggg), and at points, the killers.
I used to think that. In fact I hated him unitl I saw Cate Blanchet's portrayal...
...and now i love him very much indeed.
i hate him
because he's mostly terrible, so boring
i like a couple of songs but i do wish he'd just had one album
lol
yeah whatever..
Dylan is (for me) the most important person in music of the last 50 years or so.
I am not sure even where to start.
He has written about 8 albums that could all conceivably be in a number of greatest albums ever written list.
The 3 albums of Bringing it all back home, Highway 61 and Blonde on Blonde written in the space of 18 months are of staggering genius quality.
He has always marched to his own beat, never ever followed the fads and never given a shit what anybody thinks.
Bob Dylan is the fucking man!!!!!
So overrated.
His whole career is based on trying to prove how clever with words he is which really isn't appealing to me when the music is watered-down American roots folk.
^^^that is pish!
Dylan has never set out to prove how clever he is with words. He just happens (on most occasions) to be brilliant with words, the imagery he builds is second to none.
Also Dylans early musaic is influenced as much by British folk as it is by American, but all through his career there are a number of genres that are evident in his music.
I will be the first to admit that Dylan has ripped off a lot in his days but like all greats he rips off and adds.
Talent borrows, genius steals and all that.
no it's not
yes it is
Well...
isn't everyone here trying to prove how clever they are with words?
no thanks
i dont partake in this sort of wrongness
He's the best man alive
Not just at music, but at everything. I'm being serious, Dylan is amazing.
he's not
he really isn't
i'm going to say he's not overrated...
although, I think in terms of technicality and originality (at least in terms of the types of music he plays) he's nothing special. I think he's so highly rated because his music, or at least the most famous albums and songs, are so loved and so influential because they had real effect on people.
But yeah, I've read quie a few articles on Dylan being overrated and rarely is there any criteria, it's a kind of 'I don't get it' reaction, which is fair enough but that doesn't make him overrated.
I like Bob though, so there.
Nope.
That honour belongs to Pink Floyd.
you're probably right
bob dylan has some good songs
Neil Young > Bob Dylan
blatantly.
too close to call
Bob connects on an intellectual level for me
but Neil connects on an emotional one and that makes him the winner (imho).
yeah, i get that.
but every time i think of the first drum hit in like a rolling stone i then think of the chorus to old man. and then i think 'oh yeah but bob dylan wrote desolation row, he wins' i then remember ambulance blues...
i can't do it!
I think if you spent a day with neil
he'd probably show you around his ranch and tell you some interesting stories about people he's known, but if you spent a day with bob he'd spout something pseudo-intellectual and come across as aloof. Did that help you decide?
If not...Powderfinger!
bob dylan doesn't come across like that to me
but yeah, i'd much rather spend the day with neil. neil's a better guitarist too. but bob dylan wrote sad eyed lady of the lowlands! AAARRRGGHHH I CAN NEVER DECIDE.
granted I tend to stay away from his newer stuff
but I haven't come across a Neil Young song I didn't like. Wheras there are quite a few Dylan songs that grate on me somewhat. I have to be in the mood to listen to Dylan but Neil is good all the time.
I sound like a crazy fan :(
you've obviously not got Everybody's Rockin...
Good points, again. I'm always in the mood for Neil. I'm an obsessive neil young fan anyway. but i'm also a fairly obsessive bob fan. they're my all-time 1 and 2. just can't decide which is which...
Sorry to casue a terrible dilemma
who needs a 1. or 2. anyway?
i'm with neil young on this
i can't bear bob's delivery
i do.
I reckon
Bob would try and feel you up. Dirty old goat.
^ this post has made this thread worthwhile
fact.
you know he got an honorary degree from st andrews (i think it was st andrews)
he spent the whole ceremony asleep and then wouldn't talk to anyone except some receptionist he was trying to chat up. =
: D
See
KNEW IT.
Everyone knows the only reason any bloke picks up a guitar and sings about his "feelings" is to get laid.
please get out
blatantly
?
holy mother of jesus
there's some retards on here. i'm not even going to present my argument for why bob dylan is teh awesomeness because i know i'm right. half the people who say they don't like him are (i'm sure) only doing that to get indie points.
yeah, trying to argue his greatness really isn't worth it with this level of idiocy
might as well say Elvis is the most overrated person in the history of music. or that the Beatles are the most overrated band in the history of music.
Elvis sort of is.
For one sole reason: he wrote absolutely none of his songs. He was just a handsome face and a good dancer. See also: Michael Jackson.
Elvis is.
nope
i literally don't get it at all. i'm not particularly indie
Are indie points
the same as Club Card points - do you get money off at Alton Towers?
sort of
but with indie points you get money off vinyl purchases at pure groove. and you get to be a boring bastard.
Mark E. Smith
bob dylan good songwriter
but i can't stand him singing his own songs, i just hate his voice, but he's not the most overrated person in the history of music, bryan ferry is.
William Shakespeare
???????????????
please make a thread about this
you're wrong.
bob rocks.
actually it's probably Radiohead
Thom Yorke is like a spoilt child, talk about naive for a 40ish year old man.
I've persevered with Dylan
on a number of occassions but I still don't really like his stuff. That said, I'm not that bothered about lyrics tbh.
But whether or not he's overrated is not really relevant. If loads of other people like something i don't then good for them.
No.
to clarify
bob dylan is good, obviously good with words and has some songs i like. but why is he held in such high regard?
Because the man
is a genius.
Thats why.
why is he a genius?
Because so many of his songs are timeless classics...
that in 100 years will still be relevant. He may not wanted to have been the poster boy for the counter culture/protest movement in the 60's but his sings were core to this and you cannot deny the power of songs like Blowin in the wind, Times they are a changin, masters of was, Hard rains a gonna fall, Lonsome Death of Hattie Carrol etc etc.
His love songs are tender and show a vulnerability to this most acerbic of writers, songs like Girl from the north country, don't think twice etc etc.
His caustis put downs Like a rolling stone, positively 4th street, idiot wind.
He has written music which encompasses all the emotions and he has done it with wit and style.
The Beatles songwriting changed dramatically (and for the better) after they had mat and started listening to Dylan. His mid 70's record Blood on the tracks remains arguably the greatest break-up album ever, and in my own humble opinion the greatest album of all time.
To disregard Dylan totally, you have either a) never properly given him a listen or b) you are trying to be controversial.
I appreciate he is not everybodys cup of tea but you should still be able to appreciate how important he is to music.
you're the closest person to talking me round
i have listened to him and i don't like him but i do recognise his range and influence. i just don't think that he can be held up as a holy cow like he is now.
Dylan lost it for a good while...
mainly when he found christianity (why is it all music connected with god is pish?) but his last 3 albums, Time out of Mind, Love and Theft and Modern Times have all been excellent as well and show a man dealing with his age, his loves and his life with dignity and humour.
To be honest too_black_too_strong at least you have given him a try and if you don't like him then cool, everyone has their own tastes and no doubt there is a musician that you adore but that I won't like. But if we didn't have different opinions then there would be no point in having websites like this.
i'm not disputing that people like him
and that he's really popular, but we all know that's not a way to judge something
i just think that elevating someone to the level of an icon, or judging them on their influence on others means that their own work isn't evaluated fairly.
i'm definately not saying he's shit
I think the fact that he has been elevated to....
something of an icon and is a major influence on just about every major/important artist of the last 50 years speaks volumes for Dylan.
And I believe he has gotten to that level because his music has been evaluated fairly, in fact no other musician in the last 50 years has had as much study, discussion or debate as Dylan.
Not all music
connected with God is pish.
The ahppy clappy stuff i'll give you, but some of the Johnny cash religious stuff is magic
^ this
(as in Lo-Pan) not to mention that what other musician has not only become such a respected figure in his field but has also transcended it by becoming a cultural icon, discussed in the context of literature, art and film?
actually, all you need to do
is watch/listen to footage from the tour where he went electric. find a version of like a rolling stone and you'll realise how wrong you are. actually, i'll make it easier. i'll find one.
this is why you are wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0gSJGJ7Fs
this
is obviously very good
and he obviously looks very cool
but does it make him one of the best artists of all time?
yes. it does.
try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCpYYjyerZw
all this is making me think
is that i wish i looked like him
i don't see anything outstanding about much of the rest of it
you've really stopped making any sense
if you realise he's good (i'll take that you mean genius), why can you not understand that he would be immensely popular with millions of music listeners, thus cementing his greatness even further?
he's not a genius
who is?
bob dylan
i was replying to poptimus
i think he's asking "who is a genius?"
yeah. emphasis on 'is'
ahhh i see
i dunno if i should name anyone because they'll look ridiculous next to someone as established as bob dylan, but i'd say they'd have to make equally as good music as lyrics. if bob dylan was a poet he'd have been one of the best of the century, but the music is average
someone whose lyrics are as good as their music?
des'ree?
someone good
why not suggest some people then?
even if you think it'll look daft. you'll look better if you offer up some suggestions. chances are they were influenced by Dylan themselves.
Bert Jansch?
perhaps.
Chuck D
.
^ thats one
James
Brown we begat George Clinton who begat Prince.
All begatted (is that a word) from a lineage that on an alternative branch begat the wizened old fruit that is Dylan.
This thread has made me think (dangerous)
i can't actually remember actively listening to a Bob Dylan track in full.
I used to think that my music knowledge was pretty good but this is titanic lack of audio education on my behalf , no?
also
i was sure that the author of this thread would be wrightylew.
Its just the kind of inflammatory spunk he usually comes out with.
i don't think wrightylew would ever make a thread like this.
about Dylan, i mean.
i'm sure he likes Dylan, although i'm not 100% sure
I'm a complete purist to the 60s.
If I ever, ever make a thread like this about a 60s band (bar The Who), absolutely kill me.
i don't believe you
you're a liiaaaaarrrr