And not one that involves playing on rocks and trees and or acoustic instruments- we must stay electric! (not a dig at acoustic, trust me)
"That's right, it starts with an earthquake"
Friends, in these troubled times when every news report talks of impending food shortages, wars, financial collapse, global warming and in America, oh motherfucker, where's my next tank of gas coming from; my main worry and consideration is not basic survival. I'm not sitting here worrying about where to hide when the Chinese Army comes to town- no, I'm thinking about music! After society breaks down and the infrastucture collapses I bloody well want to plug into big amps and rock the house. I want my PA and mixing board, I want a myriad of pedals, keyboards, mics and all the rest. Most of all I want live electric music. I want artists in the studio and on the stage.
How can we use "off the grid" technology to sustain our musical lifestyles and insure we aren't relying on sheer memories of the time when music was plentiful and readily available and not just fragments of tunes we utter in our cave hideouts.
Dear friends believe me when I say that I am not a survivalist type who has a bomb shelter and a food pantry drilled into the hillside (the only firearms I possess are the ones I got the day my Dad died) but I am seeing signs that make me think, and plan for a (electric) musical future that can exist without infrastructure.
These are the music related topics I'd like to focus on, plus any others you can think of.
Making
Broadcasting
Distributing
Listening (home or cave use)
Performing
Archiving
any thoughts?
So, when you say "post apocalyptic"
do you mean in the biblical sense or in the end of the world as we know it sense....orrrrrr, in the "Metalacolyiptic" sense?
silly
everyone knows that in the biblical scenario we'll all be too busy gnashing our teeth to make or listen to music. I meant more along the lines of a catastrophic meltdown of the global community, a total blurring of societal underpinnings such that humantity reverts to a more regional and feudal existance, and, most importantly a massive failure of the crucial infrastructures that support our way of life as it exists today which would cause the government (oh, yeah we'll never get rid of that in this scenario) to drastically limit the power consumption of the individual.
all music
will consist of cybergoths playing pounding techno/metal mashups whilst bikers fight on open highways over control of trade routes for food / petrol / pre-Collapse DVDs.
"pre-Collapse'
It's spooky how that term seems almost familiar to me.
The cybergoths (another great term); what makes them "cyber" in a post-Collapse world?
PVC, multicoloured hair braid things
and sequencers.
poly vinyl chloride?
makes great potato guns and pipes for gray water en route to the septic system but how does it make cybergoths "CYBER"?
I don't know.
But I know one thing.
The Fratellis will survive. They're like cockroaches those fuckers.
The Fratellis Will Survive!
all together now!
haha
the fuck?
ChrisJabe
Sorry if this topic confuses you. Who wants to assosciate music with such down subjects as this? I agree. But forgive me, I am American and in this country we are having a bit of a rude awakening which is causing everybody to walk around scratching our heads about how we are going to live without our cars. And Americans without cars is tantamount to the end of the world. For the last eight years I have been commuting over a hundred and twenty miles a day, so I had to face the reality of a owning a gas hog years ago- I am aready on my second hybrid car. For the past couple of months, everywhere I go I am approached by wide eyed people who want to know all about my Prius. I have had people try to buy it and make all kinds of offers. When I am at the gas station filling up I can feel the longing stares upon me- I tell you it's just plain weird. When you combine the angst from high gas prices with all the other ominous tintings it is easy for a person like me (a hopeless cause and effect analizer) to wonder about things.
haha
excellent. you're the best music board poster.
thanks
I try
: )
Nottingham
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Nottingham
what, what?
if there was no power in this post apocalyptic music scene
venues could be fitted with bicycles instead of seats which the audience ride during the performance. these bicycles are attached to a generator that powers all of the instruments, amps etc. problem solved. is that the sort of thing you are after?
this^
is forking brilliant! And Hilarious, but you see, it is also exactly the kind of solid, innovative thinking we need. I love your brain!
listen to...
Devil Sold His Soul for post apocalypticism
thank you
my brain loves you too.
betterbythepound
I can't believe how fantastic your idea is. The making of such a "venue" would be so wonderful for just it's illustrative potential. We (see I'm stealing your idea already) should shout out to fabulously wealthy rock enthusiasts for a grant to make it happen!
what say u?
i think
our (i'm willing to share) idea could catch on. maybe live earth would have made more of an impact if the image of tens of thousands of out of breath foo fighters fans on bicycles had been beamed to the rest of the world. i feel a letter to al gore coming on!
I'm e-mailing Paul Allen!
stay in touch
I'd like to invest
I have a ten pound note burning a hole in my pocket.
quickly get it out and invest
before the whole of your trousers set on fire!
even better than this
venue floors could be adapted so that the downwards force exerted on them by moshing would power the amps.
This would lead to a feedback loop (pardon the pun): the louder the band got, the more the crowd would mosh, the louder the band would play, the more the crowd would mosh....
that is better
i'm a little disappointed. but not too much cos this post apocalyptic world is gonna be awesome.
There is actually a club with a dancefloor like this
Err... somewhere.
The Crystal Ballroom in Portland, Oregon
it doesn't generate electricity but it is spring loaded so when people dance it bounces a bit- it's kind of freaky. I saw Interpol there- Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds have played there- I wasn't in town for that one : (
I think the spring floor is a sort of shock absorber to protect the ceilings below.
They should go the whole hog
and make the entire floor into a trampoline. Imagine the scenes at a Converge moshpit. No-one would get out alive.
the rancid corpse of Marillion
will be chained to radiator in a bunker somewhere, rattling her chains and stinking of prog.
yeah, this could have potential
let me think about it
There is a fictional band called "Disaster Area"
From the story "The Restaurant At The End Of The World" which actually got me thinking about this long before our current circumstances arrived. Can anyone remember the technical dynamics of "Disaster Area" and any of the antics of it's members? I remember something like their use of the whole galaxy to array their equipment and play all through space.
I can't wait!
If straight to video sci-fi movies have taught us one thing it's that the only women who survive the apocalypse will be gorgeous amazonian types with a penchant for deviant sex and Ministry.
Have you heard "Cover Up" yet
Ministry covers: Bob Dylan, Deep Purple, The Rolling Stones, The Doors, T Rex, Mountain, Black Sabbath and others.
it's a lark
No, I haven't.......
sounds like one for my CD wishlist!
The bicycle idea
I'm sure I found myself in a tent at Glastonbury (some years ago)sitting on a bike that powered a sound system and lights. It was the early hours of the morning and things were a little 'hazy' shall we say.
I have seen it to, or variations of it
but not quite as described by 'betterbythepound'- nothing that dramatic. I 'm now envisioning a large venue whith about 2,500 bikes (just a guess at amount needed) and 5,000 fans there. That way when some grew tired they could be relieved by the others. Maybe get extra good insurance incase people collapse and require medical attention or god forbid-burial.
I think this event would go along way to raise awarness to the potential of alternate energy. Might be preaching to the choir but things like this tend to make a splash that ripples outside the pond into the ocean.
*too
: )
i hadn't seen it before
but a quick look on google shows it probably has been done. some people are making a touring cycle powered cinema though which sounds pretty cool.
http://cyclecinema.wordpress.com/
and i still think a whole stadium of bikes would be pretty incredible.
The problem of illegal downloading solved!
People download music and the musicians don't get any money right? But... imagine if it just became the norm to cycle instead of dance or mosh at a gig. The bands could harness all the excess energy and re-sell it back to the national grid, thus making up the shortfall in their earnings. And we'd be saving the environment too! C'mon!
This is progress
Perhaps we should all opt out and start a DIS eco town somewhere and put this into action.
The only problem that I see would be choosing a town anthem. That could take a while.
this is post-apocalypse! there won't be insurance!
No time for burial either, too expensive and a waste of resources. Anybody unfortunate enough to keel over and die from too much cycling will simply be dragged away by dobermans and flung into an oven. The oven is connected to steam pumps which generate electricity, so that even in death gig-goers will contribute to a fantastic show.
I'm beginning to look forward to this. Imagine it - no more massive twirling signs telling you to text the person standing next to you, no huge beer marketers trying desperately to convince people they know what good music is, no more summers of 3000 identical festivals, or nights in London with 9000 pubs putting on identical gigs in the back room. Gig-goers will, by necessity, have to be seriously hardcore. It'll really sort out the men from the boys.
Railway Tunnels
Assuming no power...
Perform gigs in railway tunnels... I've done it already - acoustic instruments such as saxes sound great, there's lots of room for an audience...
And you don't get wet. Much.
Actually, performing outside - I don't mean busking or festivals, but playing in woods and on hills - is a whole new (and useful) experience.
http://www.myspace.com/bigblock454uk
:(
And in the death
As the last few corpses lay rotting on the slimy thoroughfare
The shutters lifted in acient Temperance Building
High on Poacher's Hill
And red mutant eyes gaze down on Hunger City
No more big wheels
Fleas the size of rats sucked on rats the size of cats
And ten thousand peoploids split into small tribes
Coveting the highest of the sterile skyscrapers
Like packs of dogs assaulting the glass fronts of Love-Me Avenue
Ripping and rewrapping mink and shiny silver fox, now legwarmers
Family badge of sapphire and cracked emerald
in the day of the dog
the year of the diamond dog
this aint rock and roll its genocide
how about wind/solar powered amps/electronics
...because I'm too lazy to cycle...although I do cycle to work. Still it is a very good idea.
yes, wind/solar venues are what I was thinking too
I envision breathtaking outdoor amphitheatres such as roman times or these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rocks_Amphitheatre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gorge_Amphitheatre
and smaller indoor/outdoor venues which could be located in cities and towns- all solar powered. Plenty of volume and off the grid.
This is the most incredible venue of all time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_Tabernacle
I wish someone build a custom rock venue with the same considerations the builder of the Tabernacle used.
Yeah, but then
you woke up in an oxygen tent and realized it was just a dream so you went to the latest party!
Someone got it.
And of course, it was you.
So, if we pull this off and get MoMusicPed launched?
What band are you hoping to peddle for?
I think the obvious one would be U2 maybe Black Sabbath or AC/DC.
or Pixies
or Einsturezende Neubauten
or Kraftwerk (performing Tour De France or Autobahn)
: )
Oh man, I just had a giant aneurysm
A massive bike-powered DETHKLOK gig!
that's it!
^ i posted this twice on purpose
yeah, cause I wanted to make sure you saw it
yeah, that's it
I meant to do that
yeah
i would pedal for prince
i'd love to get sweaty cycling to 1999. and when he got to any of his questionable later material then the crowd would stop pedalling and he'd lose power. he starts up kiss and then everyone starts cycling again. result.
tonight i'm gonna cycle like it's 1999!
.
the car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel
and the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides
and a dark wind blows
the government is corrupt
and we're on so many drugs
with the radio on and the curtains drawn
we're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
and the machine is bleeding to death
the sun has fallen down
and the billboards are all leering
and the flags are all dead at the top of their poles
This^^ describes half the towns in the American West
: )
hardly apocalyptic
but thanks for that and who wrote it?
That would be the introductory
monologue to Dead Flag Blues by Godspeed You! Black Emperor. Wonderful music :)
as 'the road' shows,
music will be briefly be played on wooden flutes. and then not at all.
was going to say something similar
you'll all be sat around the campfire strumming away WHILE PEOPLE ARE EATING YOUR CHILDREN.